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good afternoon everybody listeners

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around the world in the united states

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canada the uk

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i am your host chris george zuger and

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you have entered the den of lore uh we

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have a special uh episode today where

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episode 21

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and uh to my right is my co-host alex

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how are you doing alex very good very

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good uh you know we have a wonderful

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episode with a fantastic multiple

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award-winning filmmaker tristan burra

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excuse me

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i should i should have stayed in french

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emergency immersion a lot more than i

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did i do apologize uh we're going to be

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discussing his new film which has the

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masonic community worldwide in an

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absolute tizzy uh terra masonica um i

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have to say when i heard about this

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movie and i saw the two trailers for it

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they absolutely blew my mind and i said

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we have to get tristan on this program

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and talk to him because

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damn this looks like a good film

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and you know what it's going to be

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released worldwide

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shortly and uh you know the details are

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still being worked out and i know that

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tristan will be able to share more than

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information if he has it available um

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as far as the release dates but yeah if

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you're anywhere in the world and if

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you're a freemason or interested in

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freemasonry

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this is the film to watch uh absolutely

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different cinematography

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absolutely beautiful cinematography

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beautiful cinematography thank you very

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alex and i would def i would like to be

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able to introduce uh tristan

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himself

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and how are you doing

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i'm going well it's very freezing now

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i'm in europe in belgium in brussels

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but everything's okay i'm happy to have

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finished this uh

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project and i'm starting a new one

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me so i like challenges and a new

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project all the time

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that's it

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you've certainly

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had quite the challenge with doing all

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this amazing footage for the film

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recently

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sorry i said you've had quite the

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challenge with doing some of the amazing

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footage for the film

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the shots yes

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an incredible project and uh

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you know i was thinking about that

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yesterday and uh making into in the 21

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century

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be able to have the privilege to make a

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trip around the world and

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defense that fantastic journey during

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one year it's uh just incredible to to

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to be able to live that today you know

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we are living in a society and we think

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that uh everything is discovered and is

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uh traveling like this and discovering

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heritage so many incredible brethren

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still now when i'm looking the movie i

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said to myself it's not me i made i

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didn't make this movie myself you know

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i'm discovering the movie like everybody

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because it was uh just incredible but

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it's just the top of the iceberg you

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know and because there is 10 000 shot

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one year so it was a very difficult

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editing and finally i decided to make

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two movie of one hour because uh

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with less time but i hope that i would

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made a fun movie with tehra

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trip around the world in 80 large it

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will be a trip around the lodge in 80

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minutes it will be a different approach

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i have hundreds of incredible interviews

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brothers around the world and there's a

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lot of aspect of freemasonry that we

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i think there will be a third episode

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into the history certain ones that have

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gone into the the mystery and secrets

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uh and others that have uh you know

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we'll even try and link freemasonry to

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things like the illuminati or what have

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organize a pancake breakfast without

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the various types of freemasonry

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um you know that you visited is is

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something that nobody's ever done before

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documentary start well it was directly

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a very good movie historical movie the

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name was the scottish key

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and the question was what was the origin

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of freemasonry because in freemasonry

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is not the same but it's linked you know

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darkness it was the idea of the

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confrontation of the freemasonry and the

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time it's a local view it's depend on

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the largest depend of the history of the

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the only way was to to visit maximum of

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this is the incredible fact when you see

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the movies that you have this incredible

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feeling that freemasonry uh could

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give so much to to uh do to uh the

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members of of the craft

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speaking not in the warm voice everybody

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different lodge and to find the lodge

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2015 to start this movie because before

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that and i was not in good health enough

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very happy of all the feedback of the

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especially our families especially uh

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our wives etc uh comes to me and said

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okay this is the first time that i

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really understand what my husband do you

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know uh what is freemasonry so um

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this suspicion of freemasonry go down

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directly after the movie because we

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directly see that the all these guys

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around the world are absolutely hannibal

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to to make a complex you know

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very it's a normal life for all the

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mason around the world and to see that

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it's just great so um this is it

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is it more of just a you know these are

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regular individuals what was it a a

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pushback or at least a personal uh wish

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to push back against uh individuals who

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may look at the craft you know

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it more just a uh you know just a a

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general appreciation yeah general

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appreciation for the craft

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my goal is to to you know i don't

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i we don't need me to make

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i'm not a journalist i'm a filmmaker so

291
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it's very different i have a vision you

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know

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i wanted to to to make some picture to

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show a vision of uh of uh this uh

295
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the subject the craft the freemasonry

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because i'm freemason also myself it's

297
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more easy but it's not because i'm

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freemason that i could make a good movie

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about freemasonry i'm first of all i'm a

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filmmaker

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but i had this vision and i wanted to

302
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link uh the beauty of the lands of the

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nation of the masonic heritage

304
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to meet very normal brothers because uh

305
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the pro one of the problem of

306
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remastering is that

307
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all the people who are speaking about

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freemasonry they are

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scientific historian or maybe in in 90

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person it's uh

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people who don't have uh

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want to write books you know about free

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mastery but they don't have the

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scientific education of the they are not

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uh historian really professional

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historian so they are speaking about

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free masonry but uh i think there is so

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many books about freemasonry you don't

319
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give is just blah blah you know they

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don't give you nothing about free mass

321
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and what is really freemaster and

322
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freemasonry is something very simple in

323
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fact so um

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i wanted to show that and to because

325
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when we go on internet of course

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anti-masonic movement who is very

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powerful today and i feel very sad

328
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about that and

329
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and i know a lot of

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good guys from the young generation who

331
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have suspicion against masonry and uh

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for me

333
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uh it's very difficult to to fight

334
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against myself alone you know to

335
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convince p uh uh uh uh i think for

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example and i had a young um

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friend

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and uh we had a long discussion about

339
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freemason it was impossible for me to

340
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convince him that freemasonry is not uh

341
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had nothing to do with the complete and

342
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illuminati etc and but after i i invite

343
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him to see the movie in a premiere and

344
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everything changed in his mind you know

345
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it's not a question that after that you

346
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want to come in freemason just that you

347
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see exactly what is freemasonry today so

348
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my goal is to show the reality of the

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freemason

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around the world is very simple in fact

351
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that we have uh that we're taking up way

352
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too much of our time learning lines to

353
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the the learning of of ritual has always

354
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been um something that i could be quite

355
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good at or absolutely be horrible at

356
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and you know i know some people who will

357
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do certain parts of degree work they

358
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they can spend hours and hours and hours

359
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uh learning it and they will still when

360
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they get up when they get up to to

361
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deliver their part

362
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they still can stumble over their lines

363
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it's you know it goes goes part and

364
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parcel with trying to constantly perfect

365
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ourselves as individuals and and uh you

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know

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improve ourselves whether it's from

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memory or just you know public speaking

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is this

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common uh commonly found throughout

371
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freemasonry worldwide

372
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and is that affected

373
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based on language have you found that

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certain individuals

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or certain brothers who are let's say in

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india and speaking urzu at their at

377
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their lodge do they have do they have

378
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did you hear that they have an easier

379
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time learning

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their ritual work than let's say

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um

382
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[Music]

383
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the the question of the rituals um

384
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it's uh a very difficult question in uh

385
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for this movie because this movie will

386
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be broadcast worldwide and everybody

387
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knows that it's impossible to film

388
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inside the lodge

389
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so um i respect that of course and you

390
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,079
know it's exactly making a movie

391
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about wolfgang amadeus mozart without

392
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your music

393
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so the real treasure of freemasonry is

394
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the ritual and is the only treasure we

395
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have it's irritated from the past

396
00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:00,079
and there is thousands of different

397
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rituals in the world

398
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,199
and

399
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everybody's uh keep this treasure very

400
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:09,920
safely and the there is this this idea

401
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:16,150
and the ritual is the center of the

402
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:17,759
craft so

403
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,320
but for me it was impossible to explain

404
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,560
that in this movie and

405
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:25,759
because it's very complex and maybe i

406
00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:28,639
will do that in another project

407
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,380
but

408
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[Music]

409
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,920
i think it's not the main question in in

410
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:36,240
this project the most important question

411
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:39,600
it is what is the you know when you are

412
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:42,800
traveling uh you need to have a compass

413
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,199
you need to directly when you arrive in

414
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a country in a large uni you need to

415
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,279
have to know where you are and what is

416
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,240
uh the dna of this large what is the the

417
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:54,160
spirit of the lodge what is this the

418
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:56,079
spirit of this craft for example in

419
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scotland is very incredible in marvel

420
00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:00,160
lodge of scotland i love them so much

421
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and

422
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,519
it's uh you have a very incredible

423
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,360
spirit there in india is the same

424
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,880
everywhere in the world is the same but

425
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,799
it's different so you have to understand

426
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:11,199
where you are and you are here just for

427
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:13,839
one week two weeks so um

428
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,799
after sometimes i i understood that the

429
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:19,039
craft is based of seven

430
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:20,640
main value

431
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,439
you have of course faith hope charity

432
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,439
you have of course liberty equality

433
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,319
fraternity but you have also of course

434
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:30,880
unity and the unity is very important

435
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,120
you have the the unity of the brother

436
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,280
brethren in the inside the large but

437
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:37,840
also universality is the same word but

438
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:40,559
uh it's more global so you have seven

439
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,480
main value and if um you you and you

440
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,320
have some masonry

441
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,240
who are more connected for example with

442
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,240
charity but you if you do too much

443
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:52,799
charity you lose the the path of the

444
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:55,520
craft you so all the time in madison is

445
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the question of balance and when you

446
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:59,200
have a decrease of membership and when

447
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,960
you have some problem inside the lodge

448
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,080
it's because

449
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:03,760
you you lose

450
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,440
one of these seven value and uh

451
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:10,160
it was my way my compass as a traveler

452
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,760
you know and uh a mason uh mason

453
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:15,360
traveler so uh

454
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,240
um

455
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,799
this is uh for me the most important

456
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:21,280
thing is go back to the basis it's not

457
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,919
be too intellectual you know and of

458
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:25,840
course it's it's very interesting to see

459
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,000
the problem of translation the problem

460
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,120
of language which kind of ritual is is

461
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:33,120
this ritual is very close to the

462
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:35,200
tradition of not

463
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,520
uh i know that in usa there is some

464
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,440
problem with some rituals who are not

465
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,360
connected with the young generation is

466
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,760
not the case in in the continental

467
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:44,880
europe

468
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,840
so uh of course the ritual had an impact

469
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:49,600
of um

470
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,320
the quality of the craft and all the

471
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:54,960
time we are looking for the best rituals

472
00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,750
i think

473
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:04,870
the ritual could be also a problem and

474
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,600
especially for the young generation and

475
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,720
uh

476
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,400
there is a time

477
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,520
in our life in our path uh

478
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:15,919
for each age there is a time for a

479
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:19,120
different evolution when you are below

480
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,559
25

481
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,640
uh you have different question when you

482
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:23,679
have

483
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,440
14 or 15

484
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,080
years old and um

485
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:30,080
when you visit the lodge now around the

486
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:31,120
world is

487
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:34,000
you see directly that there is a lot of

488
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:34,880
white

489
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,160
hairs in the large the average age is

490
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,280
very high so uh as a young mix and it's

491
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,559
a problem

492
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:45,360
why uh we are not connected with the

493
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,320
young generation and the answer is very

494
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,600
simple is because we don't organize

495
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:53,840
the possibility to have exchange with

496
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,400
the young generation if we are meeting

497
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,400
young generation directly there is a

498
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,799
connection so the

499
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,679
the main we i think we have to focus of

500
00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:05,280
organizing

501
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,160
moment in a good place to have this this

502
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,400
possibility to meet the young generation

503
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,240
and to have exchange about the craft

504
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,799
because it's very useful for a young

505
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,840
mason

506
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,960
uh the

507
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,880
what we learn as a young mason is very

508
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:20,799
useful in the life you know

509
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:21,520
and

510
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,950
men are waiting uh

511
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,960
when they are

512
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:35,440
finishing their working life you know

513
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,039
around 16 60 years old and entering in

514
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,720
the craft because they are they have

515
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,360
more free time now so

516
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um

517
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:46,880
in the past in the 18th century all the

518
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,679
great mason entered in the large very

519
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,720
young

520
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,120
and they were very active in the world

521
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:55,520
in every kind of field artistic

522
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,520
political economical any kind of field

523
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,400
and freemasonry was very attractive it

524
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,120
was the golden age of freemasonry

525
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:07,679
and maybe we have the possibility in the

526
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,320
20 21 century to enter in this new

527
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,640
golden age it's just a question of

528
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,880
choice and organized possibility to make

529
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,880
the young generation i think that now

530
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,120
the large all the brand larger of the

531
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,600
world have this difficulty to

532
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:22,640
to

533
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,520
saying that we have big secret it's not

534
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,000
the case the lodge are in the center of

535
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,799
the city open to the community we are

536
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,280
making community service we are we are

537
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,520
open to the world and it was what i

538
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,919
wanted to show you know and that that's

539
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,760
kind of that's very correct and i agree

540
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
with that statement

541
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,880
the interesting thing i always used to

542
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,000
say to my friends when they said oh

543
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,440
you're joining that secret society i'm

544
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,200
like well it's not really a secret

545
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,039
society because we have a giant building

546
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,400
with a neon sign

547
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:00,159
you know on the main like on this main

548
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:01,360
road

549
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,080
so

550
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,200
the idea of the um you know the secrets

551
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,440
as part of something that

552
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,880
you know helps to prove that somebody

553
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,919
can keep their word and that they're

554
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,760
reliable

555
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,600
you know in addition to being symbolic

556
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,200
of of um

557
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,640
you know somebody having the knowledge

558
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,360
to work in certain parts of the uh

559
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,039
certain parts of the world or i should

560
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,559
say certain parts of

561
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,559
work sites

562
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,520
but but the question of the secret uh we

563
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,280
don't i really understand what is the

564
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,159
secret and we we have to to be very

565
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,480
clear about this this question

566
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,559
uh there is two aspects of the secret

567
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,280
one aspect is the privacy if you have

568
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,520
friend in your house and you

569
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:43,840
your best friend and if you organize a

570
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,200
meeting a private meeting in your house

571
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,679
you don't want that everybody knows

572
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,440
we'll know the

573
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,919
next week what was the discussion

574
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,440
you had with your friend this is the

575
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,679
name of privacy and this is in our

576
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:00,720
constitution in our democratic society

577
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,280
the privacy is very important for a

578
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,200
democratic country this is the first

579
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:07,520
aspect the second aspect is that the

580
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:10,480
secret is coming from the history of

581
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,960
freemasonry and one on one on the roof

582
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,640
there is two roof

583
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,919
there is a lot of explanation but one

584
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:22,720
very important roof of freemasonry is

585
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:25,840
the royal society who was created in

586
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,200
1614 london it was the first scientific

587
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,200
institution of the world

588
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,240
and the royal society in london

589
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,760
was

590
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,720
uh created by a gentleman mason because

591
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,640
freemasonry didn't exist at this time

592
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,080
the modern freemasonry it was a

593
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,039
gentleman mason uh robert morre is very

594
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,360
famous i love him so much these guys and

595
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,559
uh um when you know a little bit about

596
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,200
how science is working you understand

597
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:55,600
directly the meaning of the secret and i

598
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:58,400
gave you an explanation if you today if

599
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,000
you are visiting um the most important

600
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,240
scientific meeting around the world ex

601
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,240
for example about the research against

602
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,360
concert

603
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,960
uh you have

604
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,440
each three months six months the best

605
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,919
scientific of the world who have secret

606
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,960
meeting

607
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,679
so um there there is not a secret

608
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,600
meeting everybody knows that there is a

609
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,320
very big um uh meeting for a

610
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:23,840
lot of uh

611
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,120
different uh important city but uh

612
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,840
when the the meetings start you have the

613
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,679
best scientific for example about

614
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,559
melanoma of breast cancer i don't know

615
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,120
and you have 16 person around the table

616
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,640
and they start the discussion but they

617
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,120
close the door why because the nobel

618
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,240
prize is in question you know so science

619
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,400
when you exchange information

620
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,919
it's very important to exchange

621
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,159
information to be a better scientific to

622
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,320
be sure that you research as a

623
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,400
scientific will be

624
00:25:11,269 --> 00:24:55,520
the

625
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,279
just

626
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,400
to have the best quality of discussion

627
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,400
if you know that the the

628
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,159
doors are open

629
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,400
you will not have the same quality of

630
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,799
discussion if the doors are closed you

631
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,440
will be very frank and

632
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,400
you you will have trust

633
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,960
you could do you could say mistake for

634
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,080
example and another brother could

635
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,679
explain his point of view and change

636
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,480
your mind etc etc so this process of

637
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,559
evolution by the quality of the

638
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,960
discussion and by the the simple fact

639
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,120
that we close the door and we know that

640
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,039
uh monday morning it will not be in the

641
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,360
newspaper so this is the only

642
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,400
explanation of the secret and uh of

643
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,080
course there is another explanation it

644
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:56,240
was the craft in the middle age it was

645
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,120
uh

646
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,120
the only way that the workers the

647
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,760
builders have had to

648
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,400
protect the work you know protect the

649
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,960
the simple fact that they have to to

650
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,520
to to have a work so they have a secret

651
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:12,559
words to to to to be sure that they were

652
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,559
uh operative mission but uh we are it's

653
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,640
not for me the secret is more the

654
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,600
quality of the relation and uh

655
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,000
we discovered that as when we enter in

656
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,640
the lodge that uh

657
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,000
it's

658
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,320
directly after two minutes when you are

659
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,240
traveling for example you have directly

660
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,320
this quality of relation

661
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:36,840
um

662
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,120
and directly you are connected to the

663
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,720
mankind to do to the human and uh the

664
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,440
feelings and you ha directly we go very

665
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,640
deep in the in the discussion and uh

666
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,200
this is something wonderful to to live

667
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,480
it's a wonderful experience and um this

668
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,320
is the secret

669
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,039
this is one of my explanation and with

670
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,679
regards to parts of parts of europe you

671
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,559
being a european native yourself and in

672
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,720
the film and not to spoil anything for

673
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,039
those listening at home uh there are

674
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,039
certain parts of the world europe that

675
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,360
you visit where there has been um you

676
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,600
know throughout recent history in the

677
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,559
last

678
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,600
uh 100 years let's say for instance a

679
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,880
very strong persecution of freemasons

680
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,679
and

681
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,919
what what is your opinion or what is

682
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,400
your what did you take away from seeing

683
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,760
that you know in places where

684
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,760
freemasonry was very heavily persecuted

685
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,640
that it started to come back

686
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,679
it's wonderful to leave that because um

687
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,360
we have to do our best to to to because

688
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,600
we are living in the global world today

689
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:49,360
and it's very interesting for for

690
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,679
example canadian us uk freemason to know

691
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,880
that in middle europa there is a reborn

692
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,360
of free mass and we in new democratic

693
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,880
country just since 15 years of 20 years

694
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:05,440
and this young mason have

695
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,559
so much incredible speech about freedom

696
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,120
about liberty what is to be free to be

697
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,159
to leave liberty so in our whole

698
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,880
democracy maybe we forget that

699
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:19,120
and we forget that

700
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,039
freemasonry is also a way to build a

701
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:27,120
free nation uh without borders and uh

702
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:28,840
um

703
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,919
and i think that freemason is very is

704
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,120
more strong is more powerful more strong

705
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:37,360
in the in this new ground lodge with

706
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:38,159
just

707
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,000
300 members for one nation but uh you

708
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,120
feel that the you you you have this

709
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,720
strong feeling that they are leaving

710
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,760
something

711
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:48,559
uh

712
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,559
choice because you need

713
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,559
courage to to do that

714
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,320
so um

715
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,840
for me it was

716
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,480
and especially in the in middle europa

717
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,960
you have so great culture as ukraine

718
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:09,200
poland and um

719
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,600
and georgia and so this all this great

720
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,520
nationwide

721
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240
struggling now there is a war now just

722
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:20,559
now we are speaking now and you have war

723
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,799
in the with uh uh not directly russia

724
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,520
but the whole world is here is still

725
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,480
here and maybe maybe we will

726
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,720
we will i hope not but maybe we will

727
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,000
live in the

728
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,799
next 10 years or 20 years uh

729
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,520
new words in this part of the world so i

730
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,840
don't hope that but the people who are

731
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,840
living and the river brothers who are

732
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,559
living there know that it's a dangerous

733
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,320
situation so

734
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,720
have the possibility to to meet a

735
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,039
brother and maybe trying just not to

736
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,120
help them but to beco they need

737
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:56,960
connection with with

738
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,320
the world because they choose to be

739
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,200
a part of the free world and this is

740
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,919
very important because i'm a democratic

741
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,000
guys and uh

742
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,480
i want to live in democratic world so i

743
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,360
i'm i'm very connected with them and

744
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:16,640
very happy to to know to to to have the

745
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,080
privilege to be received there and uh

746
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,880
and uh to share with them the same value

747
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,000
and uh

748
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,000
it's you know it's not just

749
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,840
this movie tehran syndicate is a

750
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,840
beautiful movie with beautiful picture

751
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,480
but what is beauty beauty

752
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,440
is

753
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,320
uh

754
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,919
not just

755
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,159
a question of aesthetic it's also a

756
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,200
political question the beauty

757
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,200
when you have beautiful painting

758
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,919
beautiful music is because people are

759
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,799
free

760
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,360
and you see that in

761
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,640
some

762
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,320
dictatorial uh

763
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,120
country that uh the beauty don't exist

764
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:57,919
you don't you have a very bad music and

765
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:01,120
uh very bad hearts and etc so beauty is

766
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,890
a part of the free world also so

767
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,039
[Music]

768
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,080
this is why i make a lot of effort to

769
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,840
have beautiful picture and to make the

770
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,760
connection with the countries and trying

771
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,240
to show that the beauty is the the

772
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,080
beautiful landscape the beautiful

773
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,240
picture of the country is very important

774
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,320
and the marvel language is also

775
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,600
important and all all of that is a part

776
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,240
of the beauty of the world beauty of and

777
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,120
it's very inspiring to to

778
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:33,600
to

779
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,519
desert in the sarah and just say wow

780
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,480
what a beautiful world and i think this

781
00:32:03,269 --> 00:31:58,559
is the part of the craft is the ability

782
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,950
i think you did a pretty amazing job

783
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:07,200
with the film sort of showing just how

784
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,320
approachable

785
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,240
some of those lodges can be i would

786
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,880
think that the youth today

787
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,720
the hierarchical structure of it was

788
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,480
probably what's more intimidating for a

789
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,720
lot of the younger people today but then

790
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,559
a lot of the younger people today

791
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,720
are less likely to reach out to

792
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,480
community defined

793
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,840
mentors

794
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:27,279
they're more likely to try to go to the

795
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,799
internet or something like that or you

796
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,440
know men of old or the older generation

797
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,600
they didn't have that available to them

798
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,360
they're more likely to get out there in

799
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,799
their community and they're more likely

800
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:37,600
to

801
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,240
each other i think that's yeah part of

802
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,240
the cultural shift and why it's why

803
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,480
there's so many gray hairs

804
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,679
it's it

805
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,279
somewhat of a generation gap where

806
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,440
uh you know people's grandfathers were

807
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,679
freemasons and it's their grandsons that

808
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,600
are now becoming freemasons

809
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,360
and sometimes people who have lived

810
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,559
through different things can see the

811
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,919
world differently

812
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,240
so i'm you know

813
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,240
how do you see freemasonry

814
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,880
evolving uh with the old generation and

815
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,039
the new generation combining

816
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,600
and you know what kind of challenges are

817
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,080
are you seeing uh with during this

818
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,840
evolution

819
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,200
yeah i think that

820
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,120
it's very important in a lot to have a

821
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,200
good mix and good balance between the

822
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,840
different generations so um

823
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,399
uh when i was 20 years ago a young mason

824
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,799
i was very happy to to have a whole mess

825
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:32,080
and to to

826
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:33,120
to

827
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,640
have you are when you are young

828
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,880
you just have to open you you

829
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,200
your eyes you and listening to what

830
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,360
people have to do so you you keep the

831
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,679
silence and you are listening so this is

832
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,679
the way to learn is to listening when

833
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,640
you are young but

834
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,039
we are entering in the in a very new

835
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,360
world and the young generation is very

836
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,799
different now

837
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,120
they are connected they see global and

838
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,640
they want to travel

839
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:07,519
so what i say to the young generation is

840
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,919
uh beer mason is uh is exactly that you

841
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,480
are thinking global you are connected

842
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,960
and this is the case since three century

843
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,520
because uh the beginning of the you know

844
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,320
today we are we are living in a very

845
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,599
anxious world a lot of anxiety a lot of

846
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,440
fear about the future

847
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,720
and um because of this globalization but

848
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,960
the globalization is not a new new

849
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,560
things

850
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,000
it's happening since uh

851
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,480
the beginning of the navy the discovery

852
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,359
the beginning of the big empires like

853
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,760
the commonwealth it was a globalized

854
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,520
world and uh

855
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,119
and if you know a little bit about

856
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,839
history you see you know that there is

857
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,919
there were a lot of exchange between all

858
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,639
the civilization during babylon and

859
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,200
during the beginning of the humanity

860
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,760
so we are living in a globalized world

861
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,320
but the new generation wanted to be a

862
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,560
part of that and they want to travel and

863
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,720
they want to meet people and they're

864
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,240
very open

865
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,870
they have this

866
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,040
this feeling that of

867
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,520
lonely loneliness and

868
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,640
because of the computers etc everybody

869
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,599
is uh

870
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,680
finally

871
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:27,680
people are very separate and it's very

872
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,680
difficult to meet people so

873
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,040
as a social club freemasonry is a

874
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,880
wonderful opportunity for the young

875
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:38,960
generation first of all to

876
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:41,680
to have new tools to be a better man to

877
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,280
to to separate the the truth from

878
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,079
from the the fake to have to to to to

879
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:50,560
try to to

880
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,839
to think a little bit about um to to to

881
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,240
go directly to the to the basic value

882
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,079
the most important value to be a good

883
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,839
man this is the first part and the same

884
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:01,920
time to travel to be connected and to

885
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,960
know that you if you have to go to work

886
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,280
and this is why in in india there is a

887
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,520
very big increase of membership because

888
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,839
the young generation is educated and

889
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,920
they want to travel and they want to

890
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,400
learn so freemasonry is absolutely

891
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,160
perfect for them and they understand

892
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,240
that it's an opportunity

893
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,160
so

894
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,000
maybe we have to speak a little bit

895
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,079
about brotherhood what is brotherhood

896
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,800
brotherhood eve opened the door of a

897
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,040
brother with a traveler

898
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,079
and uh if you a brother have a of a you

899
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:36,000
lodge have a problem you will be there

900
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,520
maybe at 3 00

901
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,320
a.m in the morning if you have the crash

902
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,240
with this car i don't know you you will

903
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,400
be here to help him so this is the

904
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,800
definition of brotherhood is just help

905
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,760
uh

906
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,040
your brother

907
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,640
so uh

908
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,280
i think we have to to be very proud of

909
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,200
that and don't

910
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,480
say that

911
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
because you know the non-masons think

912
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,280
that brotherhood is to have privilege

913
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,079
it's not the case it's just a very basic

914
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,040
value of humanity help the others is

915
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,440
very important we have hazard has a

916
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:11,839
mission i have medicine of course but i

917
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,040
help non-medicine of in the same times

918
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,960
i'm not focused about just the missing

919
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:19,599
but if a medicine need something i will

920
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,560
be here

921
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,359
so a brotherhood is a basic value very

922
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,480
important value in life and in our very

923
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:29,520
selfish society especially in the us

924
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,440
uh focus uh about uh material world and

925
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:35,040
about money

926
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:38,960
this value are very important so

927
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:42,880
this young generation we need to make a

928
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,400
contact and to to build a trust

929
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:47,200
and

930
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:48,320
to

931
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:52,880
it's very useful and for a very

932
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,560
intelligent young guys who finish his uh

933
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,119
high degree in university uh they

934
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,000
understand very quickly that

935
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,240
it's an opportunity so i know that there

936
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,160
is a big problem

937
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,480
in the western world uh

938
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:10,880
um

939
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,160
with a decrease of membership and uh

940
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,079
but it's also a problem of culture

941
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,839
because to be a mission you have to be

942
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,079
very curious about different culture

943
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,320
about the heritage about the history

944
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,880
about some different knowledge so if you

945
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:27,760
have a at one moment as a

946
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,960
big nation who facing the problem of

947
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,760
culture and problem of education it's

948
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,079
normal that after two three generations

949
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,400
you have guys who are a little bit idiot

950
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,240
so um

951
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,000
education uh

952
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,200
democracy and education it's

953
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,680
the good ground for uh

954
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,560
to to have a expansion of free masonry

955
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,640
so it's a more large-scale problem of

956
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,200
society and freemasonry you know i'm

957
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,119
living in belgium and we have an

958
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,760
industrial tradition and

959
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,440
we had here in belgium

960
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,240
also like in scotland and in england we

961
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,280
had the mines you know with the

962
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,480
the coke you know and

963
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,119
and when the guys go down in the ground

964
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:14,880
in the mines

965
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,640
to extract uh the the the coke uh they

966
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,520
bring with them little birds yellow

967
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,400
birds and the name in french it's canary

968
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,200
and uh they bring these little birds to

969
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,599
detect the gas and uh because they have

970
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,119
to to to

971
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,800
to it was very dangerous of the

972
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,839
explosion of the gaza in the mines and

973
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,800
when the little birds was uh

974
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,800
dying because of the gas they had to get

975
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,440
out of the mines to to to be safe

976
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,320
freemasonry is the little uh canaries

977
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,359
the little yellow birds of the society

978
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,839
freemasonry is in expansion so the

979
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,560
society is in good health

980
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,079
and uh so uh maybe um

981
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,560
i'm very positive guys i'm very optimist

982
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,960
about the future not in all the part of

983
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,280
the world of course in some part of the

984
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:07,440
world uh societies are facing

985
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:11,359
difficulties in very large scale

986
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,320
and they are losing uh the all this

987
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,800
basic value i explained before

988
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,680
and in another other part of the world

989
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,200
things are going

990
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,680
better so um

991
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,480
[Music]

992
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:29,359
i i but we don't have a

993
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,320
very simple solution to this problem and

994
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,560
it's not in five minutes that we will

995
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,359
find the solution everybody is

996
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,079
thinking about how it's possible to

997
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:41,680
to

998
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,720
disappear because this is the question

999
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,160
you have a lot of logic what is

1000
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,040
appearing in usa in uh in different

1001
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:52,800
parts of the world because you don't

1002
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,319
have enough young members and uh but in

1003
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,560
the same times it's a question of time

1004
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,200
and it's a cycle and uh we everybody

1005
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,640
knows that uh

1006
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,280
uh during three centuries there is so

1007
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,160
much uh in the history of freemasonry

1008
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,200
masonry a lot of large uh disappear

1009
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,359
reappear there is a lot of creation of

1010
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,599
you new lodge so it's a part of the life

1011
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,240
you know and if a lodge disappears like

1012
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,160
this and uh we have to build a new lodge

1013
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,920
and uh to be to try to to

1014
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,440
uh

1015
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,359
so it's a it's a part of life i think

1016
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,880
and um

1017
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,560
and uh

1018
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,599
but uh the the speech about freemasonry

1019
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,920
had to be more simple and say to the

1020
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,760
young nation what

1021
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,599
just to explain to the

1022
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,280
young generation

1023
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,440
what freemasonry is useful for a young

1024
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,000
guy today and after that he will have

1025
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,920
time to discover different aspects of

1026
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,480
freemasonry maybe more esoterical maybe

1027
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,000
more mystical maybe more spiritual um

1028
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,680
okay but

1029
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,079
you know in judaism for example when you

1030
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,319
want to study the kabbalah you have to

1031
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,640
wait 40 years and you have children and

1032
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:06,560
you have to wait to have a job so this

1033
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,400
is the rules to study kabbalah so uh

1034
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,800
in the life of a man you have a good

1035
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,359
time for for different part and all the

1036
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,079
aspect of freemasonry are so rich so

1037
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,520
different so

1038
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,359
it's like a diamond and you could spend

1039
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,200
your life

1040
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,040
in freemasonry and all the time

1041
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:28,000
discovering new aspect and because you

1042
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:29,119
are being

1043
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,240
beginning

1044
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,079
you are

1045
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,640
you begin to be older more experienced

1046
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,720
so you rediscover all the time

1047
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,280
freemasonry but it's a very very long

1048
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:40,480
process

1049
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,870
we have to listen for of the young

1050
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,040
generation for example one of the basic

1051
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:51,839
aspects of freemasonry is hope

1052
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,319
hope hope is very important and it's uh

1053
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,440
hope it's for me in my mind uh it's

1054
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:01,839
exactly what is the feeling of a young

1055
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:05,680
generation man and woman uh when you are

1056
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:08,800
speaking with somebody who is 25 27

1057
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,240
years old uh hope is very important part

1058
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,800
of the of their wishes you know they

1059
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,400
have hope in

1060
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,880
so hope is very important so we have to

1061
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,400
listening to the hope of the young

1062
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,040
generation what they want for the future

1063
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,640
and be and try to be more at the same

1064
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,040
level than them you know sometimes

1065
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,400
freemason

1066
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,800
are in the

1067
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,480
you have the feeling

1068
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,560
when you are young and i i know that

1069
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:40,079
that freemason is a little bit uh

1070
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:40,660
um

1071
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,470
they have maybe this feeling that there

1072
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,800
is too much knowledge they will not have

1073
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,760
time to to spend to read all these books

1074
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,520
etc etc

1075
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,960
but

1076
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,680
a freemasonry is not a university it's

1077
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,560
not a question of uh to to to have more

1078
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,960
learn more knowledge than the other

1079
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,000
brothers more it's more the human

1080
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:07,359
relation

1081
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:11,520
so all this aspect of esoterism and um

1082
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,319
and knowledge and etc and studying uh

1083
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,640
it's one it's just one aspect of free

1084
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,960
masonry and for the young generation the

1085
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,880
relation the quality of the relation is

1086
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,960
more important and to be there to help

1087
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,599
them is what we have to do and after

1088
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,200
that if

1089
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,760
changing a country for work and

1090
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:34,560
maybe there will be great doctors and

1091
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,960
that had a very uh professional life uh

1092
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:40,960
without free time to come in the lodge

1093
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,079
it's not a problem uh initiation is

1094
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,400
different than the the masonic path you

1095
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,400
have initiation after that you have

1096
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,839
masonic parts so the in in his you know

1097
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,000
uh

1098
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,520
they are more open for this idea of

1099
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,319
lifetime you know and uh

1100
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:03,359
you could come in the lodge as a levis

1101
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,069
spend 10 years of 20 years because you

1102
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:11,920
are very busy in your work and come back

1103
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,280
you will still part of the lodge so

1104
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,400
i think we have to be more cool in fact

1105
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,560
more yes more cool with the young

1106
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,560
generation and uh

1107
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,680
and not be too stressful you know about

1108
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,319
the challenge of be a good man and we

1109
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,720
have time we have one life to be a good

1110
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,960
man

1111
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,520
we are all the only judge at the end of

1112
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,920
our life to judge ourselves and said

1113
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,240
okay i try to do my best i'm not a god

1114
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,480
but i i try to do my best for the

1115
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,480
society and maybe i was a good man

1116
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,760
that's all now uh just as we're we're

1117
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,760
starting to to wrap up here because i

1118
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,119
know that you're a very busy man with

1119
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,440
the impending release of this film

1120
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,520
um how did you become a freemason

1121
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,280
yourself

1122
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:59,920
oh it's a long story you know i'm living

1123
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,240
in europe but i was not born in europe

1124
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,960
and i discovered uh europe when i was

1125
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,040
teenager before that i was born in

1126
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,200
africa and i spent my life

1127
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,359
my childhood and i was teenager in

1128
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,480
africa

1129
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,880
and when i arrived in europe i was very

1130
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,640
surprised by

1131
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:18,079
the

1132
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,200
uh

1133
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,319
the very low level of quality of

1134
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,880
relation between neighbors and different

1135
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,880
religions etc in africa is very

1136
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,520
different everybody respect everybody

1137
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,480
and all the religions are respected

1138
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,720
between christian jewish

1139
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,920
muslim

1140
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,160
animist etc there is no problem of

1141
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,720
relation in my childhood it was what

1142
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,920
what was what i had experiences well so

1143
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,920
when i discovered europe

1144
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,640
um

1145
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,640
i had this feeling that

1146
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,520
i was losing something from my

1147
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,720
childhood

1148
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,280
and this quality of relation uh with

1149
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,720
different people and thanks to a hankel

1150
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,119
uh who explained to me that he was

1151
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,680
amazing and he was speaking to me

1152
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,400
i was 14 years old and i directly ask

1153
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,960
him i want to be a part of that

1154
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,119
because you say that it's great i want

1155
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,720
to be a part he said you are too young i

1156
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,760
said no

1157
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,400
so i had to wait a little bit ten years

1158
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,160
to be amazing so uh but i didn't read

1159
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:24,640
nothing about masonry you know i was

1160
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,920
very passionate and uh i was uh waiting

1161
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,160
to be a miss and and i didn't regret

1162
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:32,480
that and i spent uh

1163
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,839
20 years in my mother lodge and i was a

1164
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,160
very happy miss and masonic life is not

1165
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,880
a his life it's not perfect we have to

1166
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,359
struggling to to really build a

1167
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,839
brotherhood really practice practice

1168
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,480
what what we are preaching

1169
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:51,440
uh it's not easy it's a long path but in

1170
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,309
i was looking

1171
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,710
this

1172
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:04,880
universality finally you know the the

1173
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,240
universality in terra masanica

1174
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,119
it was exactly what i was looking when i

1175
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:13,359
was 14 years old you know there's just

1176
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,880
the respect of everybody and

1177
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,960
because you you have

1178
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,119
knowledge you have wisdom in all the

1179
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:23,760
culture and we have a lot of things to

1180
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:27,750
the

1181
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,280
uh

1182
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,480
so finally i i finished a cycle with

1183
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:37,119
this movie and uh

1184
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:38,400
and

1185
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,520
if i saw tehra masonica when i was 14

1186
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,440
what what i what was

1187
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,079
what will be the impact on me i think it

1188
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,559
will be it will have a huge impact

1189
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,119
because seeing terra massanica is

1190
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,920
exactly a dream you know it's a utopia

1191
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,920
and to see all this universal

1192
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,480
brotherhood is uh just something

1193
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,680
wonderful and knowing that it

1194
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,280
exists really

1195
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,839
and knowing that you could traveling

1196
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,720
everywhere uh and find a large and fine

1197
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,040
brother and spend time with them is is

1198
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,599
just something great so uh

1199
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,079
despite our difference but we have

1200
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:24,319
respect and we don't speak about politic

1201
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,230
so i was looking for something when i

1202
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,960
was young and a better relation because

1203
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,000
uh

1204
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,480
life today is not easy

1205
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,200
and especially now with all this uh

1206
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,200
problem we are facing now

1207
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:44,720
and uh

1208
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:48,880
knowing that we are uh we we are

1209
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,160
we have light in our lodge and we are we

1210
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,640
have this tradition and when we are

1211
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,240
opening the

1212
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,040
the meeting we are closing the meeting

1213
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:01,359
there is something between the opening

1214
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,559
and the closing was just great and uh to

1215
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,440
have the the opportunity to leave that

1216
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,440
in our lodge is uh

1217
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,480
is like

1218
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,880
a young mason said in my movie is going

1219
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:15,119
to have vitamin you know in french we

1220
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,559
said um to have energy you know to

1221
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,040
to find a new energy to after that get

1222
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,520
out of the lodge and come in the world

1223
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:25,359
and and start again you know it's a

1224
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,710
it's a long answer for a very simple

1225
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,359
question why we come in the lodge but i

1226
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,040
think uh

1227
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:37,839
my uncle had a very big impact and of

1228
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,880
course in our farm in in the craft we

1229
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:41,839
see that

1230
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,720
50 percent of the mason are a part of

1231
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,480
mason family

1232
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,839
so you have this we have this

1233
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,960
transmission uh through generation in

1234
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,040
the same family especially in scotland

1235
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,000
very it's very strong in scotland all

1236
00:51:04,150 --> 00:50:59,440
the male inside a family are missing

1237
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:05,190
i think

1238
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,440
as a man

1239
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,760
[Music]

1240
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,760
we have a special relation the

1241
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:11,920
friendship between men are special

1242
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,440
because uh it's not like a woman we are

1243
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,599
it's not so easy for the men to speak

1244
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:20,240
about themselves you know between men to

1245
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,839
be uh to to to to a very deep uh

1246
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,160
discussion so uh

1247
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,960
women have are more have more facilities

1248
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,960
you know it's more easy for them to to

1249
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:34,079
to have this personal uh discussion so

1250
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,839
uh the masonry is a way to have to build

1251
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,920
this friendship between men i think it's

1252
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,480
a it's a great thing and

1253
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,400
i said to you i'm optimist for the

1254
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,400
future and i'm sure that we have the

1255
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,359
possibility to enter the new golden age

1256
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:51,599
because all these value are very

1257
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,319
important for them for for the future

1258
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:57,119
and for our children i want that

1259
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,280
my i have a daughter and i want i i pray

1260
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,839
every day that

1261
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,400
the world will be better for her than

1262
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,599
for me so uh this is my hope

1263
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,280
well you know and that that's that's the

1264
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,599
hope i should hope for every basin

1265
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,680
that's out there that that we you know

1266
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,280
leave the world and our craft better

1267
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,720
than we got it

1268
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,640
um and

1269
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,720
you know speaking of brothers the world

1270
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,720
over uh just for those of our

1271
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,200
international uh listeners i'm just

1272
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,400
going to read from your website here i

1273
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,520
know that you there's of several

1274
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,280
premieres that are coming up

1275
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,839
um uh yeah the 28th uh premiere in

1276
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,599
brussels has already happened uh

1277
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,160
february 10th is in valencia

1278
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,559
february 24th is in yent

1279
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,960
yeah and then the last week of march uh

1280
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,480
you're a pre uh

1281
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,880
you're in brazil to to

1282
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,800
premiere of the film which is amazing

1283
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,720
um and then from there the spring it

1284
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,440
will be available on dvds excuse me dvd

1285
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,160
as well as in video on demand um and and

1286
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,440
it's uh

1287
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,079
and it's a longer version which is um

1288
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:02,400
two one hour uh parts if i'm not

1289
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,599
mistaken twice by one hour and uh from

1290
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,599
in in september it will be broadcast in

1291
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,839
uh on television throughout the world as

1292
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,920
well as uh it will be translated into

1293
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:14,079
italian spanish portuguese french and

1294
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,200
dutch

1295
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,040
and german and german

1296
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,200
yeah so that that that's that makes it a

1297
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,240
truly um strong international film and i

1298
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:24,079
i do know that you that you do have a

1299
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:25,280
previous engagement that you do need to

1300
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,400
get to but

1301
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,480
we are so absolutely

1302
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,800
um uh privileged to have had you on on

1303
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,880
the radio program and share your story

1304
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,520
and uh help help you get the word of the

1305
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:37,839
film out there i know that the brethren

1306
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,640
here in ottawa as well as around canada

1307
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,440
are very excited for its release um and

1308
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,480
yes i'm i know within our community and

1309
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,240
uh the community as a whole from there

1310
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:50,880
it will it will be a success the trailer

1311
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,079
also on vimeo right now i believe yes

1312
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,599
okay thank you so much for these hours

1313
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,400
uh i'm so happy to to spend this time

1314
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,520
with you

1315
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,800
and uh

1316
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,640
there will be a

1317
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,520
very

1318
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:07,760
there is now a lot of discussion to have

1319
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,359
a different premiere in london in usa

1320
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:12,800
everywhere so

1321
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,160
i hope i will come in hotawa and uh and

1322
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:18,880
meet you in an organizer premiere in

1323
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,760
canada and

1324
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,160
it could be down very quickly so if

1325
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,680
there is some

1326
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,280
listener in the audience who want to

1327
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,440
organize something we are very open

1328
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,920
because organize a screening in a

1329
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,240
theater in very good condition it's

1330
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,480
better than show that on your computer

1331
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,440
screen

1332
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,720
so uh it's a better experience and

1333
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,880
and also it's opportunity to meet the

1334
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,359
young generation so i come back i come

1335
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,160
again with that so uh organize something

1336
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,160
it's open the doors and uh

1337
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,400
and uh and the opportunity to make

1338
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,720
contact so uh of course we have to do

1339
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:57,760
our best to promote that and uh and try

1340
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,880
to to organize opportunities

1341
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,200
and uh you know it as they say many

1342
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,359
hands make light work

1343
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,200
so yes i know that with with the

1344
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,559
brethren that i've been discussing and

1345
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,480
the amount of excitement we'll we'll

1346
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,079
i'll talk to a few of them and we'll see

1347
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,319
what uh what we can do for your brother

1348
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,240
thank you so much it's my pleasure again

1349
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:18,480
thank you very much uh and uh that was

1350
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,319
uh tristan borlaud and tara masonica.com

1351
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,480
uh if you also so you can see both the

1352
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,640
trailers up there and i would very

1353
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:28,720
strongly suggest you check it out and

1354
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,800
you can also follow them on facebook so

1355
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,200
please do make your searches and make

1356
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,200
your likes uh

1357
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,400
this has been uh chris george zuger of

1358
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,680
den of lore

1359
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,359
and i do just have a quick quick short

1360
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,040
announcement for next week's show that

1361
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,359
i'm going to put on there uh which if

1362
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,559
you're watching on youtube you can see

1363
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,440
it right now and this is very exciting

1364
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,599
as you may know the great john anthony

1365
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,400
west is uh currently fighting cancer

1366
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,280
and we have the privilege in a

1367
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:59,119
combination with sacred geometry

1368
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,400
international

1369
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:01,920
we're going to be presenting next week

1370
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,599
february 10th at 8 30 pm eastern 7 30

1371
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:08,799
central 5 30 pacific live on this

1372
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,319
channel uh the john anthony west project

1373
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,480
telethon in uh

1374
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,520
in support of clay roops um john anthony

1375
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,000
west project uh a fundraiser to try and

1376
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,680
raise funds for john anthony west's

1377
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,240
cancer treatment uh now the guest list

1378
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,319
for this is truly amazing

1379
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,160
we're going to have graham hancock

1380
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:30,880
dr robert shock of boston university

1381
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,079
laird scranton scotty roberts and the

1382
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,079
we're not renowned randall carlson of

1383
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,559
sacred geometry international all on one

1384
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,720
show we're going to be trying to raise

1385
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,520
ten thousand dollars during that

1386
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,440
broadcast and another forty thousand

1387
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,359
dollars for the following seven days

1388
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,920
total um i would very strongly suggest

1389
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:51,520
that you do set your reminders now

1390
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:55,040
because this will be absolutely amazing

1391
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,400
we're going to be talking about john

1392
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,240
anthony west's work we're going to be

1393
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,640
discussing the impact on knowledge in

1394
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:01,839
addition to

1395
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about john anthony west from his friends

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and colleagues please do check us out at

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denovlor.com for all the details or the

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show notes in the upcoming events uh

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again this is chris george zuger

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producer and host of den of lore and my

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co-host alex

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say hello alex hi everyone thank you

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tristan very much for joining us on the

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show today and we appreciate having you

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on and it's a beautiful uh beautiful

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work of film that you've made

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thank you alex thank you chris see you

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soon see you soon

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thanks

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[Music]

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all right well i guess it's uh alex what

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what did you think of that it was a good

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show very good

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fantastic i can't wait for this film to

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come out it's going to be so amazing

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all right well ladies and gentlemen who

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are still listening uh i am going to

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play the outro music

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which we have uh and kind of a very very

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apropos

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uh we're going to have

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so don't forget to set your reminders uh

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again you can check out dentalvore.com

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for all the information there will be

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more guests that will be confirming as

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time goes on in addition to our five

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guests so we will also be uh bringing in

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again soraya from where to the road go

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who will be guest hosting along with dr

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robert shock for

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most if not the entire show depending on

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schedules so

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uh also special thanks what goes out to

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cameron from sacred geometry

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international

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uh greg from the higher side chats and

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darren and graham from cry america for

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all of your help and support as well as

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adam loyal from friends to know uh you

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guys are amazing uh the warmth and

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support from this community for this

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wonderful man who has given a large part

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of his life to the search for knowledge

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and uh critical thinking towards where

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we came from as a species

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is absolutely warm

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uh and inspiring i'm i'm privileged to

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be a part of this uh this effort for

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john

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and

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let's make this a very successful one

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and you know make sure that he knows

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that we stand behind him and that he's

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got all the love in the world from this

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large and wonderful community uh once

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again

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thank you very much for listening to the

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den of lore

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[Music]

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so